This will be a continutaion of the thoughts I posted here, then here. My apologies for the delay.
As I was bitching about in the last post on this subject, I really HATE it when someone wants to force their ideology on me. Any type. Doesn't matter. A discussion amongst civilised people is preferred, Hell it's frickin' welcomed, but when it comes time to disagree, you just gotta agree to disagree and move on. But that's not how it normally goes. I'm always up for a dissenting opinion, but if it's not up to par with what I've observed in my meager years on this Earth, well you've got to expect me to hold my ground, and at the same time I'll respect where you're coming from. I understand it, I just don't believe it to be fact.
There's the burden. There's the crux of it.
You see, I am a libertarian, and an Athiest. I believe in personal responsibility...In all aspects of the phrase, and that happens to preclude a god. I am also an avid believer in personal freedom. As long as you do "what you do" without causing undue harm to those around you, you don't take a life unneccesarily, take something that is not yours without permission, or force your ideals on another (by whatever means other than respectful discourse) then anything is fair game. I think it's the very definition of freedom. To be untrammeled by the decisions of others.
No. I'm not an Anarchist. I believe that there should be some type of governing body to take care of the little thing that a society needs, but the issue is that all governments are flawed. Yes. All of them. It doesn't matter which particular leaning you have politically, philosophically, or religiosly, once you come down as a fanatic or a zealot on any side of any issue, you're wrong. Things just arean't that clear cut. Each instance of anything that happens is individual unto itself, and must be looked at relative to the situation at hand.
A it's been said: "The Devil is in the details", and that statement is true from both sides of the coin. If you look at a situation from a pigeonholed standpoint, all your details are defined by what you can immediately see. If you are looking from outside of the pigeonhole, all you see is a series of different boxes "one of which might have your name on it" that clearly represent the differences between individuals that make us all the same. We are fucking individuals.
I've got to work early tomorrow later today, so I'll close for now. But I think there's more to come.
No. I'm not an Anarchist. I believe that there should be some type of governing body to take care of the little thing that a society needs, but the issue is that all governments are flawed. Yes. All of them. It doesn't matter which particular leaning you have politically, philosophically, or religiosly, once you come down as a fanatic or a zealot on any side of any issue, you're wrong. Things just arean't that clear cut. Each instance of anything that happens is individual unto itself, and must be looked at relative to the situation at hand.
I would agree with you but, how, practically can that be done?
For instance, you agree with a government for the "little things". Exactly what are those little things? And how does one deal with the "bigger things" such as theft etc. Is theft always wrong? How do we handle a theif etc. I know there are some who hold by complete anarchy; no laws. This could work if everyone were sufficiently afraid of payback so that they weren't likely to steal from any particular person, but more likely it would lead to forsaken person getting picked up and abused (for whatever reason the person was forsaken, be it personality, or health issues, or physical features).
Law does not need to carry G-d before it to be enforceable (I do beleive in G-d, I am an Orthodox Jew.) I just don't know how one can really come up with the shades of grey issues without some sense of reliious standards behind it. A law can be constructed against theft, but what is theft exactly? (and one needs to define all the terms, such as private, property etc. etc.)
I can see some laws as more easily constructed in a godless society; laws against speeding for instance. The speed is known to be somewhat arbitrary, but picked for convience sake. But theft seems more open to interpretation depending on what one considers personal/private property and how that decision was made.
Posted by: Rachel Ann at May 19, 2005 09:05 AMGreat job and great point.
Posted by: Sissy at May 19, 2005 04:30 PMNo buts or hows. I'm with you Johnny-Oh. I'm sure you remember the mindless blatherings your former customers pressed upon you. Think of it this way: all they need is to be slapped in the cock-sucker.
Posted by: Bubba at May 19, 2005 11:35 PMRachel: "How, practically can that be done?"
Good Question, and I certainly don't have a better answer/solution than what we've currently got. Thanks for the great comment, and I'll touch on your points in the next installment.
Sissy: Don't know why, but your word of the week just fit perfectly into my thoughts at the time I was writing this. Thanks for the vocabulary in my time of need.
Bubba: Boy-Howdy! You know I'm just the guy to do it! :^D
Posted by: Johnny - Oh at May 20, 2005 06:50 AMi hope thays more, sir. ye gut a innerestin point of vue n i hope to see ye flesh these thoughts out.
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Posted by: Johnny - Oh at May 25, 2005 07:13 PM